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The Euthyphro Dilemma

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Is it good because God commands it, or God commands it because it is good?

The Euthyphro Dilemma, posed by Plato, questions whether something is good because God commands it, or if God commands it because it is good. Modern thinkers argue this is a false dilemma, suggesting a third option: God’s nature is the standard of goodness. William Lane Craig asserts that morality is grounded in God’s unchanging nature, inherently good. C.S. Lewis, in Mere Christianity, suggests that our moral sense points to a moral lawgiver. Alvin Plantinga argues that moral truths are part of reality’s structure, grounded in God’s nature. Robert Adams posits that God’s commands are rooted in His perfectly good nature, making them necessarily good. Matthew Flannagan contends that the dilemma is resolved by recognizing God as the source and standard of all moral values.

Early Church Fathers also addressed this issue. Augustine of Hippo argued that God’s nature is the very definition of goodness, emphasizing that God is immutable and His will is always aligned with His perfect nature. Thomas Aquinas built on this, asserting that God’s nature and goodness are identical, and that moral laws are a reflection of God’s eternal law (Summa Theologica, I-II, Q. 94, Art. 2). Athanasius of Alexandria emphasized that God’s commands are inherently good because they reflect His divine character. Jewish sources, such as the Mishnah, highlight the protective nature of divine law in safeguarding the community from corruption, underscoring God’s concern for holiness and justice.

Scripture supports this perspective: James 1:17 states that every good gift is from above, suggesting that goodness flows from God. Psalm 19:7-9 describes God’s laws as perfect, reflecting His nature. 1 John 4:8 declares that God is love, emphasizing love as inherent to His being. Micah 6:8 highlights that God requires justice, kindness, and humility, reflecting His character. A syllogism can further clarify:

1. If God is the ultimate standard of goodness, then His nature defines what is good.

2. God’s nature is unchanging and perfectly good.

3. Therefore, what God commands is good because it aligns with His nature.

Atheists often question the goodness of God in light of difficult biblical passages, such as those involving genocide. These accounts raise the question: how can these actions be reconciled with a good God? To address this, it’s critical to examine the historical and cultural context. God’s commands were not about annihilating people based on race or ethnicity but were directed at eliminating cultures steeped in rebellion and sin. For example, the Canaanite cultures practiced child sacrifice, offering their children to the arms of Molech (Leviticus 18:21), and temple prostitution, which desecrated the sanctity of human life and morality. God’s intention was to protect His people from being corrupted by these practices, as seen in Deuteronomy 9:4-5, which clarifies that the Israelites were not chosen for their own righteousness but to carry out God’s justice against these abominable practices.

Critics often equate biblical slavery with the chattel slavery of the modern era, characterized by dehumanization and ownership of individuals. However, the Hebrew Bible presents a different picture. Slavery often resembled indentured servitude, providing a solution for those facing starvation or prisoners of war. In many cases, it was a temporary arrangement with built-in protections, such as the Sabbath year and Jubilee (Exodus 21:2; Leviticus 25:10). Slaves had rights and protections under the Law, and abuse was explicitly condemned (Exodus 21:20-21). This humane approach stands in stark contrast to the harsh, dehumanizing systems of more recent history. The Mishnah even includes discussions of releasing slaves who are abused or mistreated, reinforcing the ethical framework within which servitude operated.

Philosophers like David Hume and Friedrich Nietzsche argue that morality is a human construct, arising from societal or evolutionary pressures rather than an objective standard. However, this raises significant problems: if morality is subjective or pragmatic, it loses its binding authority. As C.S. Lewis famously observed, “A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line.” Without a transcendent source, the very concept of good and evil becomes meaningless. Nietzsche himself acknowledged that the death of God would leave humanity without a grounding for objective morality (The Gay Science, §125).

Emotionally, it is understandable that these topics provoke deep discomfort. The accounts of divine judgment in the Bible, especially concerning entire nations, challenge modern sensibilities. Yet they must be viewed through the lens of God’s justice, patience, and grace. Scripture reveals that God waited centuries before judging the Canaanites, giving them ample time for repentance (Genesis 15:16). Similarly, the laws surrounding servitude provided a humane solution to economic desperation in a world without modern welfare systems. Far from endorsing oppression, these laws reflected God’s concern for the vulnerable and oppressed (Exodus 22:21-23).

Those who use the Euthyphro Dilemma or biblical controversies to discredit God might consider: If moral values exist, what is their grounding without God? How can an objective moral standard exist in a purely material universe? Are we willing to examine the historical and cultural context of biblical accounts with fairness? Does the recognition of evil itself not point to a moral lawgiver, as C.S. Lewis argues? Finally, could human limitations in understanding divine justice imply the need for humility rather than presumption?

References

Aquinas, Thomas. Summa Theologica. Translated by Fathers of the English Dominican Province. New York: Benziger Bros., 1947.

Augustine of Hippo. On Christian Doctrine. Edited by Philip Schaff. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1956.

Craig, William Lane. Reasonable Faith: Christian Truth and Apologetics. Wheaton, IL: Crossway, 2008.

C.S. Lewis. Mere Christianity. New York: HarperOne, 2001.

Flannagan, Matthew, and Paul Copan. Did God Really Command Genocide? Coming to Terms with the Justice of God. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 2014.

Hume, David. An Enquiry Concerning the Principles of Morals. Edited by Tom L. Beauchamp. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1998.

Lewis, C.S. The Problem of Pain. New York: HarperOne, 2001.

Nietzsche, Friedrich. The Gay Science. Translated by Walter Kaufmann. New York: Vintage Books, 1974.

Plantinga, Alvin. God, Freedom, and Evil. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1977.

The Mishnah. Translated by Herbert Danby. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1933.

The Holy Bible, English Standard Version. Wheaton, IL: Crossway, 2001.

2 responses to “The Euthyphro Dilemma”

  1. clubschadenfreude Avatar

    a logical argument made from baseless premises fails immediately.

    “1. If God is the ultimate standard of goodness, then His nature defines what is good.

    2. God’s nature is unchanging and perfectly good.

    3. Therefore, what God commands is good because it aligns with His nature.”

    Your god regularly changes in the bible, so that one fails even within your religion.

    Then you go on to make more false claims. No evidence of child sacrifice, and curious how your own god has no problem with sacrificing children, accepting Jephtha’s daughter as a human sacrifice. It could have said “Jephtha, what do yu think you are doing?” But nope, the sacrifice goes as planned.

    Genocide is genocide, no matter the excuses you give. Your god does do quite a bit of punishing people for the things that others do, showing that it has nothing to do with justice or fairness.

    And then you tyr to lie about slavery in the bible.

    “Slavery often resembled indentured servitude, providing a solution for those facing starvation or prisoners of war. In many cases, it was a temporary arrangement with built-in protections, such as the Sabbath year and Jubilee (Exodus 21:2; Leviticus 25:10). Slaves had rights and protections under the Law, and abuse was explicitly condemned (Exodus 21:20-21). This humane approach stands in stark contrast to the harsh, dehumanizing systems of more recent history. The Mishnah even includes discussions of releasing slaves who are abused or mistreated, reinforcing the ethical framework within which servitude operated.”

    funny how Exodus 21 is only about Israelites, and Leviticus 25 has that only israelites are freeding during the jubilee here. Why do christians lie so poorly?

    No abuse was condemned, but nice try:

    39 If any who are dependent on you become so impoverished that they sell themselves to you, you shall not make them serve as slaves. 40 They shall remain with you as hired or bound laborers. They shall serve with you until the year of the jubilee. 41 Then they and their children with them shall be free from your authority; they shall go back to their own family and return to their ancestral property. 42 For they are my servants, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt; they shall not be sold as slaves are sold. 43 You shall not rule over them with harshness, but shall fear your God. 4As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. 45 You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you, and from their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. 46 You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness.” Leviticus 25

    Your bible says you are lying about slavery. I always find it amusing when christains often try to claim that this god just couldn’t dare command the Israelites to not have slaves, but funny how it had no problem telling them to stone adulterers to death, to not eat shellfish, etc.

    And as for morality, Christian morality is demonstrably subjective, with each inventing a list of morals they claim their god wants, and yet the christians can’t show that their god merely exists, much less agrees with them. You also have the problem that you must insist that their god doesn’t have to follow these supposedly “objective” morals since they have to invent excuses why it is okay for this god to commit genocide, to kill people for the actions of others, etc. This makes your morality subjective to who someone is. it also shows your morality is little more than might equals right.

    Morality is a human construct, and that means it is subjective. We can thus change it and ignore the ignorance and hate in your bible’s morality. No one needs a god that commits/commands genocide; kills people, includign children for things they didn’t do; and supports chattel slavery.

    andn I can tell that those are wrong since I have empathy and self-interest. No imaginary friend needed. Subjective morals are still morals.

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    1. tomstheologyblog Avatar

      Thank you for your comment. This is not a debate group. I encourage you to join the debate group on Facebook where I do debate. Most of what you raise has been addressed elsewhere on my blog site and I provide a link on my Existence of God page to the debate group. But here is a direct link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/284039292235647

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